Take Notice: Amplifying Black Stories

Season 1 Finale w Darius Heggins

July 06, 2021 Darius Heggins Season 1 Episode 18
Take Notice: Amplifying Black Stories
Season 1 Finale w Darius Heggins
Show Notes Transcript

Our final episode of Season 1 features a conversation with host Allison Preisinger-Heggins and co-creator, partner, and Season 1 guest, Darius Heggins. They discuss the podcast from its creation, issues and conversations that came out of the process of creating the podcast, and what's next. 
Thank you for Taking Notice with us this season. We will be back in the Fall of 2021 with the second season.

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Take Notice Season 1 Final Episode w Darius Heggins



[00:01 – 05:36]

Allison Preisinger-Heggins 

Welcome to Take Notice: Amplifying Black Stories. I am your host Allison Preisinger-Heggins. The mission of this project is to Take Notice, to listen, to hold space by amplifying Black stories, experiences and voices; conversations on family life, finding joy and interests of folks in our country who encounter racism on a daily basis. A portion of these discussions will be dedicated to holding space for guests who are comfortable sharing their personal experiences with racism. Stories help us all learn and connect; we are here to listen to Take Notice, thank you for being with us. Let us take a moment to recognize, to Take Notice of the voices that are so often unheard. Land acknowledgement statements are an important part of honoring those whose land we now live and work on. I have chosen to begin each episode this way to spark ideas and keep these conversations in the front of our minds, so that we may learn how to do better. 

I would like to acknowledge the land on which this episode was created. I would like to show gratitude to the traditional ancestral land of the Shoalwater Bay and Chinook tribes, recognizing that these names are not the original names of the people of these areas. As I continue to learn how to better acknowledge native people of these lands, I will adjust the wording of the beginning of each episode. I encourage listeners to research the land on which you live and are listening right now, recognizing this is just the beginning. Thanks for joining us for the last episode of Take Notice: Amplifying Black Stories, season one. If you have listened to all the episodes or just now joining us, we appreciate your time and support. A couple of things to note, listeners please help us out by filling out the survey on our website or by visiting tinyurl.com/Take Notice survey. Your input on this project so far is so important and useful, as we move towards our second season. 

Also we will be conducting interviews this summer for our second season. They can be in person in the western Washington or Seattle areas or they can be online. I want to be sure that it is clear that we are open to hearing anyone's story, who is motivated to share. You do not have to be an artist, a public figure or a business owner. This project is all about connecting through story and everyone has a story. So, you can also be anonymous if you would like, we can make sure that your name is not anywhere if you prefer to be anonymous, but also want to be a guest. If you are interested in being a guest, you can visit our website, takenoticespodcast.org. You can send us an email at [email protected] or fill out the form at tinyurl.com/Take Notice guest. To finish things out for the season we are going to take a look at the development of this project, and how the first season went by discussing some of the topics that came up in the process. 

And we will brainstorm ideas for moving forward. To do this, I am joined by one of our guests in the first season, who is also my partner, and this project's co-creator, inspiration and biggest supporter, Darius Heggins. The co-creator part is probably maybe a surprise but I do not think this project would have happened if you did not exist. So, I am dubbing you co-creator and thank you for joining me and for encouraging me on this project through all of its ups and downs and through many conversations. So, thanks for joining me, Darius. 


Darius Heggins 

Absolutely! 


Allison Preisinger-Heggins 

How are you? 


Darius Heggins 

I am good. 


Allison Preisinger-Heggins 

Good. Awesome! Okay. To start, what was your experience being a guest on this show? You are one of the very… you are the first that I interviewed because you let me interview multiple times to test things out. But, what was your experience on as a guest on the show or what has this project meant to you? 


Darius Heggins 

To start off to be a guest on the show, it was good. I guess for me, being able to talk about my story and what that was like was good. I think that when we did it, it was not as structured as the other ones, but it was still… I was able to speak a part of myself and it was hard, as you remember like there was when we were first doing the first couple takes, there were some parts where… as I was reflecting, it was pulling up different emotions that I had not really thought of or kind of the emotions that you put in the back your head, just like if you go through stuff you put in the back of the head and you fill up your attic and then at some point, it comes out and there was that. But, it was very easy to speak with you and speak my story. 

And when I was done, I did feel lighter, I felt that I was able to… my story could help somebody else or maybe there is those out there that understand where I was coming from because if you listen back to mine, sometime I was not as straightforward, it was kind of almost speaking in tongues for a second, trying to get what I was saying out due to the parameters that we were under because it was the first one, we were just trying it out, so... 

[05:38 – 10:46]

Darius Heggins 

And then as far as the answer to the second question, Take Notice in itself from its infancy to what it is and stands for today has been a wonderful process, and a wonderful thing to be able to see how it is taken off and not only in the way of taking off but the opportunities that it is given people to tell their stories because that is important. We all have a story and like you said in the beginning, a lot of people say; oh, well, I do not have a story or I do not… I am not somebody of significance, which is in the minds, a doctor or an artist or this or that. When the reality is every story is significant and it takes confidence to be able to put that story out there and say this is my story. If people do not have to like it because this is the way we live, this has been our lives, our lives are not are not Hollywood all the time, none of the time… Hollywood is Hollywood, so… 


Allison Preisinger-Heggins 

I do not know about you. 


Darius Heggins 

Well, I am just saying but, yeah, so it is been really good and I look forward to the next season and the uniqueness, each episode is unique and will continue to be unique with the more people that want to tell their stories and that is just what it is, that is a part of life. Our stories are part of life. 


Allison Preisinger-Heggins 

So, there were some, just discussing the process of how the first season has gone and you have been a witness to all of it because we discuss everything pretty much. So, some issues came up throughout the season, so we can maybe talk about a little of those just so that it is out in the open and because it was part of the process to develop the project to where we are now and kind of shape how we look at it moving forward. Things like, there was one episode, one guest that I interviewed that wanted initially to be anonymous and then decided to not have their episode aired. So, there was that, like I mentioned earlier and you were saying people not thinking they have a story to share and so it kind of at times being difficult to find guests, who want to share and then also folks that have been approached to be a guest and not quite understanding the project or the mission in that thinking that it is all about promotion and things like that, which we are absolutely happy to highlight people's businesses and their art and anything they want to share, absolutely. 

And to support and uplift in that way but that angle is not all that it is, I suppose. So, those are some of the issues that have come up that we have talked about and discussed. So, just figured, we chat about that for a second. 


Darius Heggins 

Yeah. Well, that is one thing about our stories and connections is that, so when it comes down to me in that situation and looking at that situation, the first situation of telling the… wanting the story and then remaining anonymous and then not wanting it. Our stories do not just affect us, our stories affect everyone around us and depending on what we say, and we can make our stories. There is a story and then there is the reality of it, right? So what that means is that, we can talk and try and uplift as much as we want but if the reality is that we are not in a good scenario in us, speaking about that scenario is going to have an effect. I can understand making that choice of not wanting to create that ripple because that ripple could have a negative effect in a bad way or speaking the truth could create that ripple in a way to where it is bringing what is the reality to the surface, and that is going to create a ripple. 

Now the first thing with that is, telling the story and being anonymous is not for anybody else. That is a self-thing, each time we tell a person whether it is through this mic that we are talking through right now or our best friend about what is going on with ourselves, we are creating a ripple, we are we are being present with our reality. 

[10:47 – 15:07]

Darius Heggins 

So, a lot of times what ends up happening is we really want to tell the world about what we are going through good, bad, whatever and then we realize the repercussions of that and those repercussions, we may not necessarily want to face, even if we are in the true. I mean, it is in a sense, and I will equate it to this, if there is a battered wife that is wants to tell the world what is really happening in her home, but if she does, she is going to fear the repercussions from her husband or whoever, right? So, in a way, depending on what our story is, if we are speaking about the realities of our community or what we have had to deal with and work and that is a part of the story and this is something that could get us fired or has our best friends, you know what I mean? 

That is a challenge and I think that taking that step of actually following through with it, if you follow through with it and just speak your story and say; okay, this is what it is, that is powerful and also deciding not to do it for whatever reason, staying safe that is what it is, but even attempting that is powerful, even attempting that step is powerful so… 


Allison Preisinger-Heggins 

Yeah and I do not have any… like if people want to be anonymous, there are multiple reasons that might be something they want to go for and that is totally fine and if somebody wants to records and then later decides like what happened with one person, the season that they do not want it to be aired that is totally fine too. There is no… it is all understandable everybody is in a different spot and things. So, though I guess one thing to consider is how can we make it, so that how can we do our best to make it, so that the mission and the goal of the podcast is well known ahead of time and also going into it, somebody feels like they are safe in the space to share what they want to share and that we will treat their story well, as we move forward, which I believe that we have done and been fairly transparent but… 


Darius Heggins 

Yes. 


Allison Preisinger-Heggins 

Depending on who someone is, maybe they do not have that experience and that is valid as well.  


Darius Heggins 

Yeah. 


Allison Preisinger-Heggins 

And in this case, I think in the case of what happened, this season I think a good amount was shared that was very vulnerable and not as many of our, I mean, all of our guests were open and shared their truth but did not… maybe go as deep as this one person did and so they backed off from it because they thought maybe it was not a good fit for the podcast, which is their choice to make and it is totally fine though I think that it would have been a powerful episode, for sure, so… Yeah. 


Darius Heggins 

Well! And I do not know anything about that person or what that person talked about or anything like that. I just know that, like you said it is important to have a safe space in creating a safe space and everyone needs a safe space. Home should be a safe space, you go out into work, you work, you do all your stuff, you come home and you are ah! I am home, hopefully. This is Take Notice is a safe space and that is the thing, telling your story is important, no matter how you want to say it or what have you and Take Notices. I think that is the aim. Once again, it is just like some people were saying elevating Black voices, wait, I said that wrong. I think when they were mixing it up. 


[15:08 – 20:28]

Allison Preisinger-Heggins 

Oh, Yeah. There is been a number of times where the title has been swapped around with voices or stories, amplifying… 


Darius Heggins 

Stories! 


Allison Preisinger-Heggins 

About Black stories, amplifying Black voices… 


Darius Heggins 

Right. 


Allison Preisinger-Heggins 

Originally, it is stories and, yeah. 


Darius Heggins 

Yeah and it is just it is that easy or you think it is one thing because somebody says it wrong but really it is just talking about your story and who you are and what you have gone through and sometimes that deals with racism, sometimes it deals with hard situations at work, sometimes it is good. I mean, it deals with anything, it is just it is your story, who are you and that is the important. So, if you are telling your story and you want to tell your story that is what it should be about and it is hard, like I said our stories affect others that are around us or can depending on the situation so… but that once again that in itself is important because telling our stories is not really for anybody else. I mean people listen and they connect and all that but telling our stories is for us, for the person and saying I… because going through and sometimes going through that like I was saying, in the first couple tries that we did, my emotions from talking about racism or certain things that happened to me was difficult. 

But, once I was able to actually speak and think about that and think about where I was then and where I am now and the difference, I am not that same young man that I am now and so, there is a huge difference between the two but sometimes it takes us going through it for us to be able to see that. 


Allison Preisinger-Heggins 

Yeah. Another issue or not really issue but question that arose through the season was about one of the questions that I formed or we formed, I suppose, for the flow of the episode. So, the flow of the episodes typically was our intro, and then I would in the introduction or in the interview with our guests, I would ask them about their background where they grew up, let them share whatever story they had in mind and then I would ask them two questions; one being what brings you joy and the other being what would make you feel equal and it was interesting to hear the different reactions to that question and one of them in particular really pointed out… well, a couple actually pointed out, why I am equal and then I reword it and things like that. So, if you have been listening, if you listeners have been listening for a while you have heard kind of the progression of this question. What are your thoughts on that question? 

What would make you feel equal was the original question? And many people had the reaction of, well, I do feel and am equal and so, I shifted it to what would make you feel… I would have to look at it specifically but what would make you feel treated as equal because that is my main purpose of the question was. Obviously, folks in our country, who are African-American, people of color, are not treated equally. So what would make you feel treated equal, was the original question. 


Darius Heggins 

Yeah. So, I am going to… I will just do a disclaimer here for myself is I am not trying to poo-poo on anybody and their thoughts. But, I have… there is two things to this and those questions that question, for me. I am going to speak for me only. Okay. First thing is the reality of the situation, is that yes we are all equal human beings upon this planet; anything happens to this planet, we are all done, right? Okay. Equality! Now as far as society goes, and the American society, not the world society, American society, as Black people and as people of color in America, we are not treated equal and until we are treated equal and we stop seeing the murders on the TV screen, and treated or put in prison for nothing. I mean all the atrocities that everybody knows are going on, which we are into the process of changing and have been in the process of changing since the civil rights and before. 

We are not equal. We cannot say, rightfully say that we are treated equal in this country. Now, there are two takeaways from that, yes we are equal, and we can look at that and say; yes, I am as equal to anybody else and that is the truth, like I said when something happened to the world we are all done. Yes. We are equal. 

[20:29 – 25:06]

Darius Heggins 

And we can have that and should have that. But, we are living in a society that was created and has laws to keep us down and to brutalize people of color. I mean, we still see it, that is just a fact, so that question, the question that we have is how can we feel equal or what would make us feel equal, is a valid question and people can make that assumption of oh, well, I am equal but the reality is that if you get pulled over by the police, and the first thought is this going to be my last breath or you feel that anxiety and that danger for your life. You are not equal. If you have to keep your hands out all the time in the store because if you put your hand in your pocket or in your purse or what have you and knowing that oh that person is stealing something, when all you are trying to do is reach in for money or a tissue to blow your nose, that is not equality and that is what that question means. We are getting to the root of it, people want to choose not to see it in that form that is their choice, but that does not change the reality. 

Like I said, there are dual realities, but that does not change the reality of how we are treated and how we are looked at, right now. So, I feel very strongly about that. Now that is not to say to change, like you have, if changing it to a better form and changing it… so it fits different things which is good. 


Allison Preisinger-Heggins 

I think the change that I eventually may help clarify it which... 


Darius Heggins 

Yeah and that is in itself is good too. So that is, I mean that is how I feel and have felt about that, we not talking about the realities, is not going to change the realities and willing the realities in our worlds and that is great. We can walk around and say; yes, I am rich to the world and I have this entire but in the end if we… when we lay down and at night, we are still in the same spot, and we are like oh! I will just… I am going to get it tomorrow. I mean, there is the drive is there but at the same time that does not change the reality of what you are at. If you are not got any food, you are going to be hungry, that is it. You cannot say; oh, well, I am as full as can be, why your stomach is gurgling that does not make sense. 


Allison Preisinger-Heggins 

I think it brought up some good questions for this first season and for the project and I think where it is kind of led me in my thoughts after processing it for quite a long time and various conversations with different people and you and I am and hearing recently someone important to us, who is a person of color say so many of the stuff that we talk about in our history or that we have in our past or holidays that are connected to people of color or the Black community are intertwined with something in our history that is not joyful, that is not happy and…. 


Darius Heggins 

Absolutely! Yes. 


Allison Preisinger-Heggins 

So, for this project, I think moving forward, I think what is important is to continue to be as open as possible to whatever people want to share. But, have it be focused on joy and focused on the beauty that is found in everyone’s worlds and then all this other stuff that is just there because it we cannot ignore it and we have to deal with it and we do not want to ignore it, we need to face it, that will also come up as well just naturally because that is what it is, it is there. 


Darius Heggins 

Yeah. Absolutely! 


[25:07 – 30:09]

Allison Preisinger-Heggins 

So it is really focusing on the beauty that we can find in each person's world that wants to be a guest on here. 


Darius Heggins 

Yeah. 


Allison Preisinger-Heggins 

And whatever they feel like sharing because there is a lot and there is a lot that says and tells us through media and what whatever else that there is not and so, this project, it makes sense to try to highlight that that is a real thing, there is a lot of beauty. 


Darius Heggins 

Yeah. Absolutely! And as I say; my thoughts that I just got done speaking about it are specifically about that question and about kind of how the idea of it and just kind of what my thoughts were. But, yes absolutely, I mean it is not about, not all stories are going to be about racism or about the negative. There is always in all of our stories, there is always going to be something that is negative that helps shape us because of that negativity shaped us into who we are, but has also helped launch us into something positive and that does not necessarily mean that everybody is coming from a negative state and then all they push through it and it was positive, it just means that… 


Allison Preisinger-Heggins 

That is all intermingled as we go. 


Darius Heggins 

Yeah and I mean that is part of the story. So, I mean… 


Allison Preisinger-Heggins 

And as a project as our podcast continues, that is kind of… the point is just to be open to whatever someone has moved to share so… 


Darius Heggins 

Yeah. Well, that is where once again our stories are important because they help shape who we are and being able to tell our stories and say this is who I am in the totality. This is who I have become because of these positive and negative situations. I have become this person that you see here and for some, you know, sometimes it is younger, younger interviewees, but they are going through what they have gone through to get to where they are at and hopefully they will be able to listen to other people's stories on Take Notice or what have you and be able to look at that and say; oh, yeah, there is a lot of similarities there and it will help them grow into who they are going to become. I am dying 16, 15, and 19, what have you. So, yeah, I mean it is all important, all aspects of the stories are important and because that is once again that is part of the story. 


Allison Preisinger-Heggins 

With that in mind what kind of questions do you think we should include in season two? 


Darius Heggins 

Oh, man! 


Allison Preisinger-Heggins 

Because I think we will change them up. Do you have any ideas? 


Darius Heggins 

I honestly, at the moment my mind just went blank, you are asking me. Yeah. 


Allison Preisinger-Heggins 

I shared these questions. 


Darius Heggins 

That is true, you did. Well, I mean, I think that being able to really ask people what is it that makes you, you, you know, and that is pretty broad but you know what is a circumstance or what have you gone through that has helped uplift you to who you are today and from those up liftmen, where is it that you see you want to go and a lot of end, that is a heavy a question. 


Allison Preisinger-Heggins 

Who has who has been an inspiration? 


Darius Heggins 

Yeah and that is heavy because I personally, I can think back to tons of people that have been instrumental in my life to help me be who I am, you know, my father and in taking the lessons I learned from him, and being able to implement them in my own fatherhood, and some lessons from my mother, and lessons from leaders, I mean people around, I mean, yeah, that is a good question, that is a good question. 


Allison Preisinger-Heggins 

There we go. We have our next and receiving two questions right now. How do you see this project Take Notice continuing and developing, any ideas or thoughts? 


Darius Heggins 

Well, I mean, I think that really Take Notice has no limit. As long as there are people with stories, there is no limit, everybody has got a story and it is a big world and Take Notice can reach its hand out to everyone. 

[30:10 – 35:04]

Darius Heggins 

So, others have the opportunity, giving others the opportunity to Take Notice, and that is so broad and vast and that is what it is about, it is about being able to be in your car or at home or feeling whichever way, up, down, what having being able to put on the podcast and listen to other stories and being able to say, yeah, or being able to say; yeah, I do agree with that, and get you thinking… 


Allison Preisinger-Heggins 

Additionally, in addition to that because it is all of that but also to me, it is also hearing people's stories, for people who more look like me or are from my background, growing up in white communities and being able to hear people's stories of someone who is different than you, especially if you do not have that opportunity as much… 


Darius Heggins 

Yeah. 


Allison Preisinger-Heggins 

Or even if you do but hearing about other people's experiences that are different from yours or have been raised differently or different faith or different in any way, is not just highlighting how… yeah, it is different but also so much of it is so similar and either way there is nothing wrong with any of it. It is actually really a beautiful thing that everybody has such different experiences because there is so many instances where you go through life and you would do things one way but then you learn something about something, somebody else did and then you completely shift or it. Opens up a whole new world for you, or makes you feel better, or just a million different reasons but also with all the issues that people are trying to sort out and the feelings that people are feeling, including fear, realizing that other humans who are of color, when you are not have similar experiences that you do. But, also are being treated in terribly! 


Darius Heggins 

Yeah. 


Allison Preisinger-Heggins 

It helps you be able to put yourself in their shoes more and more and hopefully each story allows that more and more as people listen who are more from my background. So, I think both of those things are true of this project. I hope in that people from all backgrounds can get something out of it, either a connection to something like oh, yeah, that is what I have been through too, or oh I had no idea that is what it is for people of color. 


Darius Heggins 

Yeah. Absolutely! Well, I mean, it is interesting how the things that we are taught, and the things that we do not want people to know, even listening to the podcast as an example as a white person out, wherever they are at, you know, that may not necessarily gel too well with their peers and people. So, it is like a secret that they are listening to and sticking, and just to stick with the mold of what is going on in their community, if that makes sense and so, it is, it really is not only for the education but just being able to open the borders and open those barriers, excuse me that is what I meant to say, was open the barriers and be able to really see people as people and that is what is important. Like you said listening to the stories and being able to say; oh, man, yeah, no, I saw something similar to that and never did anything about it, but the next time I have made it a point. That next time I am going to say something because that did not sit well. 

And they know… everybody knows right from wrong, everybody knows that. It is a feeling that we hold inside. Sometimes we do not act on that, sometimes people are with their peers, and with their people, and they are out and they get caught up and then when they think about it later like that was horrible. So, yeah, I mean it is important, it is important to be able to listen to others, and to hear stories, and be able to look at that, and either just walk away listening to a story or to be able to reflect on that and internalize it and think about the things that we went through, why people, Black people, all people, you know, so… Yeah. 


[35:05 – 40:04]

Allison Preisinger-Heggins 

Yeah. Any other thoughts before we wrap up? 


Darius Heggins 

I do not have any thoughts. I feel good about the podcast, and I feel good about the direction that is headed and once again, I mean, I hope that anybody listening, anybody, because remember we all have stories and we all have something that we want to say. Also just real quick I want to go back about people using it as a way to uplift their business, you know, and for promotion and things like that. I mean, that is all great, we got to promote ourselves. But, really this is something that or not something, this is an opportunity to explore us, and who we are, what we are, and be able to tell it to the world, and how great is that. A lot of people think that oh, well, I want to be like this super rock star, I want to be like this person, I want to be like this person, this is an opportunity for you to be you because we and you are beautiful and our story, which has brought us up to this beauty, is important. 

So, I am a dog trainer that is beautiful for me, but that is not, you know, I am not taking notice is not about dog training, it is about who I am as Darius Heggins and so, got to use that, so uplift yourself, tell your story, talk about what you are doing, that is a part of it that is part of your story. But, Take Notice is not necessarily just specifically for that. It is a little different; at least we are trying to be and if that is what comes out and that is what you are comfortable with well, okay. But, really this is, to me Take Notice can be a growing moment and about more than just monetary means. It is about self-evaluation and who we are and what we have gone through because that is precious. We can talk about our grandmother and what she instilled in us, we can talk about our father what he instilled, we could talk about our mother, we could talk about everything that we had to go through to get to where we are at right now and how beautiful and hard that is. 

That is what the Take Notice, Take Notice is an opportunity, you do not got to be a rock star, it is not just for athletes and all this kind of stuff, is for you. 


Allison Preisinger-Heggins 

I have not had any athletes on yet. 


Darius Heggins 

Yeah. That is Okay. I am just saying, you never know, you never know, might have LeBron James on here, it is just… and even if you did, that does not matter. 


Allison Preisinger-Heggins 

No, I know. 


Darius Heggins 

No, I know you are just joking. I am just saying. I am saying to the people listening to this right now, it does not matter. 


Allison Preisinger-Heggins 

No, it does not. No, I do want to listen to anybody's story. 


Darius Heggins 

Yeah. 


Allison Preisinger-Heggins 

Alright! 


Darius Heggins 

Alright! Well, thank you for having me and I look forward to the ever evolving process that is Take Notice and I think that you as host have done such a great job and has learned so much through your conversations and from the first to this last, and there be so much more work to be done, so… 


Allison Preisinger-Heggins 

Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, I have. 


Darius Heggins 

Congratulations! 


Allison Preisinger-Heggins 

Thanks. Yeah. Yeah, I have all of my guests from the first season in my brain now; it is really interesting thing, so it is really cool. So, thank you to all of the guests for the first season, including you Darius for joining me for the wrap up and to discuss some of these things and we have our questions for the next season which I thought was going to be much harder but that is great. So, thank you to all of our guests for the first season and also thank you to all of our listeners, we would love to get your feedback, if you are open to taking a few minutes to doing that, you can find the survey on our website takenoticepodcast.org, you can also find it by visiting tinyurl.com/Take Notice survey. I would like to also thank a handful of people and I might miss folks but a handful of people that really encouraged and allowed this project to happen by just holding space to brainstorm about it and also to encourage it. 

[40:05 – 43:26]

Allison Preisinger-Heggins 

Definitely Darius Heggins, Amanda Rae of Amanda Rae creative, she is been my co-producer for the first season, and she is been amazing and really helped develop the project into what it is now with me, and has done the entire website stuff, so that is amazing also and I also want to thank Kira Dorrian for encouraging me on this path as well. She also has her own podcast, Future Focused Parenting, which is a wonderful parenting podcast to check out, if you are a parent or in the future might be a parent. Also Shane Knode was another sounding board for this project as well and so, thank you Shane and thank you to all of you listeners again, and all of our guests, and we will be back for the second season, this fall. So, find us on social media, you can find Take Notice podcast on Facebook or Instagram, you can also join our mailing list from our website, takenoticepodcast.org. 

Hopefully, we will stay connected and we will be able to share our project moving forward starting this fall, you can listen to all of the episodes from our website also right now or from your favorite podcast platform. Again, my name is Allison and thank you for allowing me the honor of bringing this project to you all. Thank you very much. 


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